Beware of the fake shoulder turn

We're all guilty of "I got this", @desmondmoss, and we are all subsequently victims of the ensuing poltergeist.... 🤣

Wow. This really helps me. There are so many things that we aren't aware we're doing or not doing. I think my experience is exactly like yours and others in here. I am 100% guilty of saying" I got this" and fail to practice what I preach. In the beginning, I had all the perfect positions " The Colonel" taught me but, I often move ahead too soon. I am a very impatient person.

Weight on left 70/30 ish.

Turn both shoulders down.( Palmer)

Left arm straight.

Right armpit close.( Hogan)

Light tension in the arms.

KFC ( Colonel Tom )

Fake Turn!!! I thought I invented that term....apparently not LOL!! I do the EXACT same thing at times. It's out of laziness and/or I think "I've got this, I can relax now". Yes, all kinds of bad shots, shanks, etc. What happens to me is this: I will start turning my left shoulder down, then my arms complete the backswing which starts to level my shoulders...AND...in doing so my weight drifts to my right side. Upon rehearsing my fake turn I find my shoulders have only turned halfway back, my shoulders are more level, and as such my shoulders out-race my lower body to the ball. Plus, there's a much higher chance of OTT or kicking my right knee and right shoulder out towards the ball...shank. I hope this helps.

well spoken. by rotating with the buttons on your shirt, you can get equality in both shoulders, it's really easy to try and take the club back by stretching the front arm rearward which would bend the front shoulder rearward while the trail shoulder remains unrotated...

@Buford T Ogletree - Part of this - the lead knee kicking inward and the leveling of the shoulders - goes back to the discussion a couple of weeks ago that @danny is alluding to which relates to 1) reaching for too much in the backswing beyond the body's natural stopping point, and/or 2) purging those residual Shift & Lift swing demons.

As for the other part... Yes - the two shoulders can and do work independently of each other! (This is one reason why the "chest down" feel works for many folks, because the chest tends to take both shoulders with it.) I speak specifically to the independent actions of the shoulders in this video from Chapter 3 of the Power class. While I don't want you getting ahead of yourselves with the power stuff, it may be helpful to work through that chapter and learn to feel some trail shoulder retraction in your swing in order to conquer your "fake shoulder turn".

😎,

Tom

I bet the shoulders leveling and knee turning is related. You might be taking too much backswing. That's what i was doing and working to know when my body wants to stop. During my video analysis this was pointed out. It was also pulling me away from the target and off the wall from setup. In still struggling a little with that.

Are your shoulders going past 90 degrees at the top?

Yeah. Definitely. Whatever was going on I’ve never noticed on video but a couple things do come to mind that may have been possibly related. My shoulders kept leveling out, and my lead knee kept turning in instead of down. That I could see on video but I never could tell why. This could offer an explanation finally.

That's interesting, you noticed it a video? What was your trail doing?