Reverse Pivot?

Terrific.....

Thanks

Mike

Thanks for your explanation. What I like about your swing is how you're turning your body aggressively around your left leg----"firing the right side" they used to say. I'm playing decently this summer---shot my age of 75 one round. But I still don't feel like I have a consistent trigger to get the whole body turning through the shot. A quiet transition from backswing to downswing ----a pause--definitely has been a key for me. Aside from weight distribution, another key area is the use of the arms. I've been focusing on keeping the arms passive, and you're using them aggressivey to generate power. That's a big change in feeling if not reality.

[ Feel is not necessarily real !!] Interesting work you're doing. Thanks again

Mike Murdoch

@mmurdoch1918 - I know it sounds like a strange concept to those who have only ever subscribed to a swing model that is based on shifting weight from back to front, but I assure you that this swing is anything but a reverse pivot!

Yours is a good question, though, because it represents an often-misconstrued notion and occasional invalid criticism of the Stack & Tilt swing, and as such I always appreciate the opportunity to respond and clarify. You start with your weight forward (55/45 on the front side; 60/40 for the longer clubs), increase that same weight forward to the top of the backswing (70/30), and further increase the forward weight during the downswing from halfway down (80/20) through impact (90/10) and to the finish at 95/5 forward. There's no "weight shift", therefore - unless one were to fall backwards - there's nothing to reverse or pivot!! And the result is a centered, low-maintenance, body-friendly, consistent, and tremendously powerful swing!

@mmurdoch1918 @Bill Mo @Rudi (from Munich) - @Tom Saguto is the most qualified to answer this, but here ya go.

First off, define reverse pivot. The definition I hear from traditional golf instruction is on the downswing the top half moves rearward while the lower half moves forward shifting the weight to the back foot. This leads to inconsistent strike, fat and thin shots, and just bad golf. If you're doing this, your not doing the S&T swing Tom teaches.

Nowhere in Tom's instruction do you move weight to the back foot...so, how is he teaching a reverse pivot. Professional golfers do move some weight to the back foot, but it is momentary at best because they know they must get the weight back to the front foot. The reason Tom does not teach a shift of weight toward the trail foot is because this changes the low point of the swing. By turning the shoulders in a circle, you almost guarantee yourself to strike the ground in the same spot every time.

Obviously the "traditional" swing was not working for any of us or we wouldn't be on this forum...just a thought.

@mmurdoch1918 Easy to clarify. It is called the stack an tilt swing following the book of Michael Bennet and Andy Plummer, which is a different system.

Tom is explaining this swing in his online-school in a way that is better to understand than working through the book (my opinion).

Changing to an other swingsystem allways means that there is a lot of work (and frustration), especially if you want to understand the new system to be able to correct the mistakes you make.

I guess nobody in this forum could change to the "new" system in a few days.

But after all this work, you get a more consistent swing with crispy shots farther ballflight and predictable curves.

Thatˋs what is going on.

yea I really struggled all year this summer trying to do this swing. I've had higher scores this year than ever before. I'm ready to go back to my old swing. This looks and sounds easy,but I must really confusing my self. I try keeping hands low and hook it with my driver low with big pull hook. I move the ball forward and than slice it or push it long and high. I try keeping shoulder pointing at the ball and end up hitting off my back foot. I have no idea what to do. Really screwed up all summer. I know its me and don't know how to fix it,