too much hip turn

So I just checked out how I could get too much hip turn and thus get the club too far inside.

One way to accomplish that is by crumpling my lead knee inward early in the backswing by trying to get too much T2T vs. my lead knee bending down towards my lead foot and the T2T happens naturally, and the hip bump is subtle, not pronounced.

The other way is to start my backswing with my hips vs. letting the the amount of hip turn be dictated by the amount of shoulder rotation. Couples talked about how he doesn't focus on hip turn because his hips will turn relative to his shoulder rotation, thus he's not at all thinking about his hips...he's focused a full shoulder turn and his hips will turn accordingly.

what do you think about brysons swing? He talked about how his lead arm is completely internal rotatedso his lead elbow is facing the target while his lead wrist is external, then trail arm is external rotated while wrist is internal. So lead elbow facing target, trail elbow down. He said he feels it helps keep his arms straight with the swing speed he has.

T2T can be overdone which leads to a reverse pivot, and/or gets the lower body too far ahead of the ball, leading to push shots, at least for me. I prefer what Tom said about the trail hip rotating on an upward path. That may "feel like" the lead hip is moving away from the target, but it's not. Some SnT teachings show exaggerated pre-setting of the T2T starting at address to get the student to counter situations whereby their lead hip moves away from the target at the top. But after some time the body, muscles, tendons adjust and thus the lead hip can start to move too much. Exaggerated drills are great but they are only meant to counter balance overly bad movements to land somewhere in the middle.

I think the most overlooked movement, even for folks I know who work on SnT, is a moderate to a severe lack of Backswing Extension (BE) and an arm lift backswing. Without BE and with an arm lift swing, there's a much greater chance of getting the weight onto, or even worse, to outside of the trail foot at the top. There's also a much greater chance of taking the club back too far inside. The club travel will feel much steeper with BE vs. not.

It's easy to feel the difference. Get in front of a mirror, grab a club, get into address position, then close your eyes and take the club back with an arm lift swing and without BE. Then start again, but do a shoulder driven backswing with BE. With a shoulder driven turn and BE there should be pressure on the inside of the trail heel. With an arm swing and little to no BE, you will feel a weight shift onto or to the outside of your trail foot. Pressure on the inside of the trail heel is not a "Shift", it serves as a brace to support stacking over the ball, at least that's what I've found.

If anyone wants to REALLY feel pressure on the inside of the trail heel, place a golf ball under the outside the middle of the trail foot and take the club back. It forces stacking over the ball. This is a training drill that's been around since dirt, but it works to learn the feel of staying over the ball at the top.

@jthibodeau1991 I was having the same issue as you with the feeling like I was overdoing the tb2t thing. One thing that really helped me was an awesome tip from Tom! This was to feel like I was putting my right shoulder in my right ear in my backswing, and then, put my left shoulder in my left ear in the follow through. This helped me to think a lot less about what was going on and just do it! Keep it crispy!

I believe @GolfLivesMatter may have posted something about overdoing the T2T move. Are your hips turning on an inclined plane (as they should) or are they turning more level to the ground, which can definitely cause too much of an inward hand path?

The targeted weight distribution at the top is 70% forward, so if you find that you are well in excess of this then that's also an indication that you've gone to far with it.