Couple of questions: Number 1. Would this be considered flipping? It’s so close it’s hard for me to tell. Number 2. Is there a correlation between flipping and your weight falling back on your trail leg during the downswing? Number 3. Regarding weight distribution, any advice or a particular school video to help me with that. I’ve noticed on video, that at the start of my downswing my lead foot twists around indicating there’s not enough weight on it.
Hi @jammn15,
The chapters, lessons, and drills that comprise the Golf Swing Simplified course curriculum are not randomly ordered; they are designed to be taken sequentially from the beginning. Regardless of a member's skill level, this swing necessitates a complete reboot for someone transitioning from a shift & lift swing (which is typically the case), and therefore it is imperative that one take sufficient time to ensure that the fundamental components of the first couple of chapters are mastered. From the ground up there is nothing superfluous in the Stack & Tilt swing - in other words, everything with a purpose, and a purpose for everything. (For example, contrary to shift and lift where you may be taught to keep your trail foot perpendicular to the target line as a means of "creating resistance" in your trail side, in S&T we flare both feet out 10-20 degrees in order to facilitate a free flowing, inclined hip and shoulder turn.) I cannot emphasize this enough, as frustrations predominantly occur when students jump ahead in the curriculum without properly dedicating themselves to the foundational base upon which our consistently repeatable, powerful, low maintenance swing must be built.
One of the many great things about this swing is that you can achieve solid ball striking even at the most basic levels. This is why I oftentimes will refer students back to Chapter 2 of the Golf Swing Simplified course when they experience a hiccup or perceived setback. That chapter reinforces the body motions and the weight-forward component, and it culminates with what I call "The Best Golf Swing Practice Drill of All Time". Work yourself sequentially and gradually through the chapter, and then park yourself on that drill in Lesson 2.8. Learn it. Practice it. Master it. You can even use this partially abbreviated swing on the course and play quite well with it as it will provide plenty of distance. (It actually is the full swing minus just a couple of power accumulators.) Do it right and al the issues you referenced will resolve themselves. You will then be well prepared to move forward in the curriculum and well on your way towards taking ownership of YOUR swing.
Beyond this, you may wish to give some thought to the V1 Swing Video Analysis – an extremely valuable service that I highly recommend to everyone in the school. This enables me to put my eyes on your swing and offer some very specific observations and corrective action plans if applicable. I liken it to bringing your swing into the shop for a tune-up or minor repair. Scheduling one on a quarterly basis for preventive maintenance will do wonders for keeping things humming along nicely, and it's also a great tool for pinpointing and resolving any issues that arise. The process involves downloading the free V1 app and then submitting two videos to me through the app - one down-the-line (captured from your stance line, not the target line) and the other face-on. You'll find more information about the V1 Analysis halfway down this page on the Saguto.Golf site.
Alternatively, you might consider posting your swing videos in the Forum's Video Analysis Room. While I don't personally review these as it conflicts with my V1 service, you may be pleasantly surprised by the knowledge base and helpfulness of this great community!
Let's get you over this hump!
TS
@Buford T Ogletree - I'll allow you to back into your answer through this checklist of what can occur when we go past our body's natural stopping point in the backswing:
1) the lead arm will bend and/or lift
2) the wrists will break down
3) the lead knee will kick inward towards the trail side (it should only work straight down in its preestablished outwardly flared orientation)
4) the lead shoulder will level out and lose its orientation towards the ball
5) weight will shift into the trail side and bring the low point back with it, resulting in inconsistent contact and unpredictable ball flight.
6) you'll "chicken wing" and/or flip through impact
7) pain, discomfort, and/or possible injury
@Tom Saguto Just want to confirm my suspensions. Would this be an indicator of not enough weight Forward. And also possibly shoulders turning too level?
@Buford T Ogletree - @Nocona Colt Abernathy is spot on in his analysis, as usual. And yes, definitely fix that ball position before undertaking any measure of swing intervention!
As for a couple of drills to consider:
- 90% Weight Forward/Arms Straight
- Flying Wedge
@Buford T Ogletree
1)Technically, you haven't flipped because you can see in the left image that your hands are well past the ball, so when you make contact, you strike the ball and then the ground.
2)Absolutely. If your weight goes back, your arms run out of space and the center or your swing moves, so you get the "flip" or "scoop".
3)Honestly, in my opinion, the setup is the most critical piece to the weight distribution. Without seeing a full video, it is hard to tell, but you appear to have the ball way back in your stance. This can cause you to shift weight back, because you're approaching the ball too steeply, and can cause a flip. Try building a simple "grid" and check ball position. I'd start with that before I went too deep.