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Using the Torso for power?

Hello and Happy new year to Tom and fellow members.

I have been really struggling lately with the stack and tilt swing. I've had really bad contact 95% of the time and when I did hit it crispy the distance was gone. I've been using my torso and the arms went along for the ride but really struggled getting good contact over multiple range sessions.. my question is, should I be throwing my hands down? I struggle to get any sort of lag or hit a decent shot when I use only the torso for power and all my high irons go the same average distance.

I've lost around 40+ yards with all clubs since starting the stack and tilt training and have no clue what's the issue.

7 comments

7 Comments

GolfLivesMatter

Jan 08, 2023

You mentioned you're struggling with the SnT swing. Do you have another swing that you struggle "less" with?

allanemily5

Jan 08, 2023

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I've always struggled with golf, I've only been playing 2 years, but when I first tried out the SnT swing I was hitting them sweet for about 4 weeks, not every shot right enough but enough for me to see genuine progress in my game. Then I lost it somehow and really struggling to even feel right during my swing. I will get a V1 lesson with Tom and will have a better understanding in what I'm doing right and wrong.

GolfLivesMatter

Jan 08, 2023

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I get it. Keep in mind the SnT swing IS the golf swing. Bennett simply coined the term "Stack and Tilt" to define the fundamentals that the best players utilize to play exceptionally well.

I cannot count the number of guys who said they "tried" SnT and it "didn't work". Ironically, most all of them immediately started hitting FAR better shots, but somewhere along the way, prior habits or instincts resurfaced. Sometimes I think they could not mentally accept that the golf swing REALLY COULD BE THAT EASY because for decades they've been told, and/or believed a good swing is VERY HARD to achieve. So they proceed back in time to make the swing hard again.

Also keep in mind a lot of folks play, or played other sports for which the movements in those sports do not transfer well, or creep into the golf swing. I know one guy who "steps into" his driver shot (baseball). He literally lifts his lead foot during the backswing, moves it left about 2 inches, replants, then hits. Crazy stuff...and he had NO IDEA he was doing that until I ran a slow-mo video...,and he's been doing that more for at least 30 years. Yikes!

The V1 lesson will be excellent. It would also be fun if you put up your video so we can see the "before" swing.

Tom Saguto

Jan 06, 2023

@allanemily5 - Based on your recent posts there seems to be a disconnect somewhere. Rather than continuing to dive down rabbit holes I would suggest that this would be an ideal time for a V1 Analysis so I can see exactly where you are at and take the guesswork out of getting you on the proper path towards where you need to be.

allanemily5

Jan 06, 2023

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I agree Tom, I'm on Android so can't get the V1 app, I will download the app on another iPhone and sort that out asap.

Been looking through your library of videos and came across one on swinging the handle and not the club head and it's exactly what I have been doing. I'm always steep and when I turn my right shoulder down, because I'm still steep I just get a weird path. Been having a few light practise swings swinging the handle and I'm getting my hands in front more and getting that whip through with the club head. Once I get back to the range I will test it out.

Thanks.

allanemily5

Jan 06, 2023

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Your instruction is first class by the way, and appreciate the reply.

Tom Saguto

Jan 09, 2023

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I look forward to doing your analysis! Just be advised that I will be away all of next week with no access to SG, so you would need to submit it by the first half of this week or we can just wait until the week after next.

With regard to swinging the handle and getting that "whip", have you looked into the LagShot training aid that I've demonstrated in various YT episodes including these:

- https://youtu.be/oxW_7HjzacY

- https://youtu.be/bLWekbGl7C8

Incorporating LagShot into your practice routine will greatly assist you in grooving the proper motions and downswing path, and since you can hit balls with it you'll get instant feedback.. Here is a link to the LagShot website - https://lagshotgolf.com?ref:sagutogolf - and if you do end up deciding to purchase be sure to enter the code SAGUTOGOLF at checkout for 15% off.