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Club face angle at address

in Address/Setup

I typically have club face slightly open at address (picture on left)

should I keep it more square to ball like photo on right ?

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7 Comments

johnpfistnerjr

May 20, 2021

This seems to be an overlooked thread/issue. I second guessed myself over the years of playing golf regarding club face alignment at address. Some of these super game improvement clubs have strong offsets. I don't know if you can see the offset differences.. Left: Ping Gmax (Game improvement) Right: PXG 0211(Progressive)

Left: PXG Right: Ping

Note: I learned a lot about golf equipment in a fitting. Makes sense why there are so many angles built in a golf club.

Tom Saguto

May 20, 2021

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Yep, @johnpfistnerjr - Offset clubs will absolutely interact with "The Grid"; they need to be compensated for accordingly as we progress and build in that stock S&T push-draw.

johnpfistnerjr

May 20, 2021

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@Tom Saguto I was thinking that because most pro golf instructors use their blades which have little or no offset and demonstrating to the novice golfer, they have no understanding of offset, etc. When I use my Pings to get correct address and stance, my club face looks extremely closed at address. I understand offsets are there to assist with proper closing of club head at impact thus becoming slice eliminators. This can really jack you up if there is lack of understanding with he charactistics of a golf club. The end result causes me to 2nd guess my club face relationship to target path at address.

Tom Saguto

May 17, 2021

@jon - I think you may benefit from learning about the Shot Shaping Grid. Since our hand at address are prescribed to be in line with the inside of the lead thigh, then for any ball position behind the inside of the lead thigh we will have some degree of forward shaft lean. This will naturally open the face to the target line, and if combined with the face being closed relative to our downswing path this will produce the stock push-draw ball flight, which for a right-handed player would start to the right and curve back to the target.

So take your grip with a squared face prior to addressing the ball, and then - after setting your hands even with the inside of your lead thigh - let the ball position determine your face angle. If you were instead to address the ball and then square the face to the target line as in the right side photo above, the grid dictates that you would be setting yourself up for a pull-draw that starts at the target and curves left of it.

I hope this makes sense!

johnpfistnerjr

May 21, 2021

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@Tom Saguto I got to sit down and view the swing thought eliminator. Great stuff as usual! I had changed my Setup and pre-shot routine to include the grid. Been working with it. I use to just lay the club down first but it is not effective now I do the opposite. Alignment, set up, ball position then my club. Something you had mentioned about the club sets up around you not the other way around. I was setting up around the club. Hence, I get my miss hits primarily with fat chunky monkey shots. The grid work is helping me with ball position, swing path, and alignment. Last 2 rounds I played at 2 different links and shot 83 and 84 (home course). My handicap went up to 15. Still working on chipping at the statue.That will change soon..The SnT is starting to click in well for me, especially the irons. Once, I'm settled with driver and hybrids I want to focus on max power and distance potential out of my clubs. statue. I may had reached 250-270 with driver but its not consistant. Consistant desired stock distances is my goal. Don't have a goal to make the tour but I do have a goal to make others crap their pants when they golf with me. Especially those who golfed with me over the years.

Tom Saguto

May 21, 2021

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@johnpfistnerjr Wait. What? You shot 83/84 and your hcp went UP to 15?? Where's the fuzzy math I'm not understanding??

Nice job with the grid. Looking forward to that day in the near future when you're passing out Depends to your playing partners...

johnpfistnerjr

May 21, 2021

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@Tom Saguto yeah, I don't get it either (math). It's an unofficial (Non-PGA regulated) handicap app I use. Maybe because a previous score was a 99 a week ago. (Day of a glitch in my golf swing). It didn't tally it until I play 3-5 rounds. It's all good. It'll come down. They're going to need Porta potties. Hope they bring a pair of clean shorts. Hee Hee Hee. I like the grid. Thank you putting that out there for us.