Greetings. Saguto swing changes are going well, have changed my game and made it fun again. I'm grateful to Tom. My head is in my backswing though at the top with the driver. I get to the top and never think I've turned enough and I'm not going to hit it far so there's a bit of a hitch at the top I'm struggling to get rid of. (Amazing how much goes through your mind in that split second) Left arm is straight but in that instant I'm trying to turn more and bending the arm. Because of things I've changed as a Saguto golf member most times the swing is working out coming down and through, and hitting the ball much more solid. However, i just can't seem to stay within the swing. And of course, the more I think about it on the course the more I do it. (over swing, hitch, worry where my wrists are and I won't get back to proper impact point) Over the ball I'm thinking turn back and turn through nice and easy. Next thing you know, I've got John Daly's backswing..... :) LOL, gotta lot going on.
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@brentondudgeon - The answer provided by @ihmpadre is spot on! All I wish to add beyond that are a couple of excerpts from my responses to others pertaining to this general topic, because perhaps from previous "Shift & Lift" motions we've been so conditioned to try to get to "parallel" at the top, and that notion can get us in trouble with this swing method in which we are creating depth instead of height:
"Reaching back for more is like conducting a séance for those old swing demons, and they sure come back to haunt us when we do. Remember - the depth we create by getting our hands behind the trail shoulder at the top gives us all the power we need, even if it "looks" like less than a full swing compared to our old Shift & Lift days. Trust me - you've created width and plenty of distance for that club to travel by taking it deep; there's no need to try to get to "parallel" - that false deity of swings past. Execute the motions, understand your body's natural stopping point, and then - the most difficult part - train yourself to stop there!"
"Don't worry so much about 90 degrees - just try to feel and ingrain your body's natural stopping point in the backswing where the tilting, turning, and extending motions are complete. This is the point where if we were to try to go any further any or all of the following will occur:
1) the lead arm will bend and/or lift
2) the wrists will break down
3) the lead knee will kick inward towards the trail side
4) the lead shoulder will level out and lose its orientation towards the ball
5) weight will shift into the trail side"
This may help to give you the "Why's" and "What's"; @ihmpadre has provided the "How's".
Please let us know if you need further assistance with this!
Tom
brentondudgeon For me (my feels to avoid an over-swing)- 1. dead hands and arms. Totally limp at address BUT slightly riding above your chest and connected at both upper arms. 2). With TILT, scrupulously follow Tom's takeaway and let the arms just go where they want to go. The right arm will fold to 90 degrees automatically. The top of your swing is actually just below your shoulder plane so an over-swing is impossible. Consistency is Key. No mulligans is my goal now. Thus, no overswing. DOWN-- hip bump, and straighten your right arm at P6 for a club-head only feel. The driver is my easiest club now with Saguto.Golf