2.8 is great. Any time I start hitting thin shots I know something in my swing is not interfering wiht the club head to reach the ground at impact. Here's my checklist:
Standing too far away from the ball. Wedges are obviously some of the shortest clubs in the bag aside from the putter. Plus, typically the "prior shot" that we hit before hitting a short iron is often a driver or a long iron/hybrid. Thus by default it's easy to setup too far away from the ball with the short irons.
Shoulder tilt / swing plane. Tom's recent video about getting the shoulder to point at the ball at the top was excellent because he noted in the video that pointing the lead shoulder at the ball with a shorter irons requires close attention.
Shoulders flattening at the top and/or on the downswing. This correlates to the above because many folks start their backswing with good shoulder tilt, but then as the club reaches the top their shoulders start to flatten. On top of that, many folks flatten their shoulders even more on the downswing. This will very likely promote a right hand flip because the swing plane is too flat.
Stance Width. A narrower stance promotes a more downward arc while a wider stance promotes a shallow arc, like with a driver. The driver stance arc is like a United Airlines plane landing on a runway. A PW stance is more like a fighter jet landing on an aircraft carrier, or a steeper angle of attack. Almost every time I see a guy sky his driver is because the stance was too narrow. Think of it this way, take as super wide a stance and try to hit the ground, then put your feet together and swing. The latter will be promote the steepest angle of attack.
Weight Rocking. If I start off with too much weight on my toes I will rock back to my heels on the backswing. At that point my torso has moved away from the ball with a front to back motion. Thus on the downswing I am too far away to get the club back to the ball, thus the only saving movement is to flip the right hand to "make the club longer" to reach the ball.
I concur with Ronald. Also, video of your swing from both angles is going to tell you a lot about what's going on. For example, a downswing path that is too shallow can certainly cause thin contact, but unless you first confirm that your path is too shallow the fixes for this issue would be a shot in the dark and could exacerbate things if that's not the problem.
You are also free to post videos of your swing in the Forum's Video Analysis Room for your fellow members to offer their thoughts and recommendations. Beyond this, you may also wish to give some thought to the V1 Swing Video Analysis – an extremely valuable service that I highly recommend to everyone in the school. This enables me to put my eyes on your swing and offer some very specific observations and corrective action plans if applicable. I liken it to bringing your swing into the shop for a tune-up or minor repair. Scheduling one on a quarterly basis for preventive maintenance will do wonders for keeping things humming along nicely, and it's also a great tool for pinpointing and resolving any issues that arise. The process involves downloading the free V1 app and then submitting two videos to me through the app - one down-the-line (captured from your stance line, not the target line) and the other face-on. You'll find more information about the V1 Analysis halfway down this page on the Saguto.Golf site
@jrcm62 this could be caused by a lot of different issues. Early extension, flipping, downswing plane too flat, incorrect ball position, and no hip rotation to name a few.
I always advise going back to the 2.8 Drill swing to ensure good contact and compression of the ball against the club face.
Yes thanks for that, I watched 2.8 again and went out to my back net, I was not setting up correctly I put my hands more forward and had much better compression and crispy contact. Its always the simple things.
2.8 is great. Any time I start hitting thin shots I know something in my swing is not interfering wiht the club head to reach the ground at impact. Here's my checklist:
Standing too far away from the ball. Wedges are obviously some of the shortest clubs in the bag aside from the putter. Plus, typically the "prior shot" that we hit before hitting a short iron is often a driver or a long iron/hybrid. Thus by default it's easy to setup too far away from the ball with the short irons.
Shoulder tilt / swing plane. Tom's recent video about getting the shoulder to point at the ball at the top was excellent because he noted in the video that pointing the lead shoulder at the ball with a shorter irons requires close attention.
Shoulders flattening at the top and/or on the downswing. This correlates to the above because many folks start their backswing with good shoulder tilt, but then as the club reaches the top their shoulders start to flatten. On top of that, many folks flatten their shoulders even more on the downswing. This will very likely promote a right hand flip because the swing plane is too flat.
Stance Width. A narrower stance promotes a more downward arc while a wider stance promotes a shallow arc, like with a driver. The driver stance arc is like a United Airlines plane landing on a runway. A PW stance is more like a fighter jet landing on an aircraft carrier, or a steeper angle of attack. Almost every time I see a guy sky his driver is because the stance was too narrow. Think of it this way, take as super wide a stance and try to hit the ground, then put your feet together and swing. The latter will be promote the steepest angle of attack.
Weight Rocking. If I start off with too much weight on my toes I will rock back to my heels on the backswing. At that point my torso has moved away from the ball with a front to back motion. Thus on the downswing I am too far away to get the club back to the ball, thus the only saving movement is to flip the right hand to "make the club longer" to reach the ball.
Welcome to this great forum community, @jrcm62!
I concur with Ronald. Also, video of your swing from both angles is going to tell you a lot about what's going on. For example, a downswing path that is too shallow can certainly cause thin contact, but unless you first confirm that your path is too shallow the fixes for this issue would be a shot in the dark and could exacerbate things if that's not the problem.
You are also free to post videos of your swing in the Forum's Video Analysis Room for your fellow members to offer their thoughts and recommendations. Beyond this, you may also wish to give some thought to the V1 Swing Video Analysis – an extremely valuable service that I highly recommend to everyone in the school. This enables me to put my eyes on your swing and offer some very specific observations and corrective action plans if applicable. I liken it to bringing your swing into the shop for a tune-up or minor repair. Scheduling one on a quarterly basis for preventive maintenance will do wonders for keeping things humming along nicely, and it's also a great tool for pinpointing and resolving any issues that arise. The process involves downloading the free V1 app and then submitting two videos to me through the app - one down-the-line (captured from your stance line, not the target line) and the other face-on. You'll find more information about the V1 Analysis halfway down this page on the Saguto.Golf site
@jrcm62 this could be caused by a lot of different issues. Early extension, flipping, downswing plane too flat, incorrect ball position, and no hip rotation to name a few.
I always advise going back to the 2.8 Drill swing to ensure good contact and compression of the ball against the club face.