@colin Just an add on, The biggest factor that was huge for me I believe was getting the same spot ball contact. So no matter the club ball position basically the same off front foot.
@colin I have found that the S&T hasn't been an issue in causing any further issue with my shoulders. In fact this system was a wake up call for me. I suggest you video yourself face on and down the line behind you. I didn't think I was a shift and lift but boy was that an eye opener.
Now for full disclosure due to an injury in 2003 where I broke both right upper arm bones and split the shoulder ball in the socket in half. Thus a plate and 11 screw in right shoulder. Left shoulder just getting old(65), arthritic, a little calcium and just wear and tear.
I do take ibuprofen or like before I play. Also prep play hot shower followed with a Blue Emu rub on both shoulders, the back, hips thighs and knees. LOL Plus now I do PT 5 times a week. Nothing intense, just motion and slight resistance. Originally was prescribed for new left shoulder problem but do both and helps.
I'm not a big hitter, I do full swing with driver but every other club is 3/4 swing and works fine. The only big issue I had with new swing and setup is I couldn't be consistent with my fairway woods(which with the old swing were the best clubs in my bag). I took them out of the bag and replaced 5 wood with 3 iron crossover and 3 wood with 2 iron crossover. I hit both clubs same distance as woods and a tad further actually, but most of all am consistent with them.
If you are interested in PT exercises let me know I can always scan the sheet into my computer and share them here for you.
Off grass today my shoulders are fine but back and legs really feeling it. I slowed my swing by half today and that helped both shoulders and the contact / distance.
my shoulder was damaged During car smash when younger and now suffer with AC joint on any impact type actions.
You really should not feel as though anything is working hard in a properly executed swing using this system. A proper setup facilitates this; an improper setup will have you fighting your body from the start. Have a look at Mike Bennett striping 17 in a row. How hard is he working?
Having said that, during the transitional phase from shift & lift to S&T you will, of course, be using your body and various muscle groups differently, so there can be some soreness initially. Ultimately, though, if it feels like you are working too hard at any point during the motion then something is likely amiss.
I suffer with shoulders impacts more than muscle so had to stop martial arts, boxing etc. I wonder if now I am actually impacting with the club instead of scooping off floor that is causing some
niggles? Maybe that I’m still hitting too fat though as mentioned in other thread so i will try towel drill and see how that feels
@colin Good Question! Tom’s S&T swing is body friendly. That said, if you are making a swing change, you are probably working some muscles that you didn’t before. I haven’t done the research, but there may be someone who has done a study of what muscles fire during a golf swing. Maybe @Tom Saguto knows of one.
When we talk about “turning the lead shoulder down” do we use the shoulder muscles to do that? I don’t think so. If you are a shifter and lifter I think the lifting of the arms would work the shoulders. But if you have your upper arm connected to your torso, the shoulders should be along for the ride. The turning is performed from the ground up. The trail hip is moved behind you (toward the target) by the straightening of the trail leg. The shoulders will turn some when this happens due to the torso turning with the hips. Then the muscles in the back continue the torso turn. Due to the facet joints in the spine the torso turn is limited But your back muscles can turn the torso another 45 degrees or so. The downswing is also generated from the ground up. I think the downswing involves more shoulder “work” because we pull the left arm off the chest to generate speed.
I think we can play golf using the 2.8 Drill swing pretty well. That swing , to me , uses minimal shoulder muscle generated movement. When we try to add speed and power , we use the shoulder muscles more.
Others in this forum may have other ideas on this subject.
@Ronald Burkholder Thank you for reply. I’m pretty sure I’m putting far too much muscle that I shouldn’t be and has always been my nemesis trying to smash the ball. Trying to build rhythm and consistency and hopefully once ingrain these new motions will all be more comfortable
@colin Just an add on, The biggest factor that was huge for me I believe was getting the same spot ball contact. So no matter the club ball position basically the same off front foot.
Leave it at that for now.
@colin I have found that the S&T hasn't been an issue in causing any further issue with my shoulders. In fact this system was a wake up call for me. I suggest you video yourself face on and down the line behind you. I didn't think I was a shift and lift but boy was that an eye opener.
Now for full disclosure due to an injury in 2003 where I broke both right upper arm bones and split the shoulder ball in the socket in half. Thus a plate and 11 screw in right shoulder. Left shoulder just getting old(65), arthritic, a little calcium and just wear and tear.
I do take ibuprofen or like before I play. Also prep play hot shower followed with a Blue Emu rub on both shoulders, the back, hips thighs and knees. LOL Plus now I do PT 5 times a week. Nothing intense, just motion and slight resistance. Originally was prescribed for new left shoulder problem but do both and helps.
I'm not a big hitter, I do full swing with driver but every other club is 3/4 swing and works fine. The only big issue I had with new swing and setup is I couldn't be consistent with my fairway woods(which with the old swing were the best clubs in my bag). I took them out of the bag and replaced 5 wood with 3 iron crossover and 3 wood with 2 iron crossover. I hit both clubs same distance as woods and a tad further actually, but most of all am consistent with them.
If you are interested in PT exercises let me know I can always scan the sheet into my computer and share them here for you.
@Steven
You really should not feel as though anything is working hard in a properly executed swing using this system. A proper setup facilitates this; an improper setup will have you fighting your body from the start. Have a look at Mike Bennett striping 17 in a row. How hard is he working?
Having said that, during the transitional phase from shift & lift to S&T you will, of course, be using your body and various muscle groups differently, so there can be some soreness initially. Ultimately, though, if it feels like you are working too hard at any point during the motion then something is likely amiss.
@colin Good Question! Tom’s S&T swing is body friendly. That said, if you are making a swing change, you are probably working some muscles that you didn’t before. I haven’t done the research, but there may be someone who has done a study of what muscles fire during a golf swing. Maybe @Tom Saguto knows of one.
When we talk about “turning the lead shoulder down” do we use the shoulder muscles to do that? I don’t think so. If you are a shifter and lifter I think the lifting of the arms would work the shoulders. But if you have your upper arm connected to your torso, the shoulders should be along for the ride. The turning is performed from the ground up. The trail hip is moved behind you (toward the target) by the straightening of the trail leg. The shoulders will turn some when this happens due to the torso turning with the hips. Then the muscles in the back continue the torso turn. Due to the facet joints in the spine the torso turn is limited But your back muscles can turn the torso another 45 degrees or so. The downswing is also generated from the ground up. I think the downswing involves more shoulder “work” because we pull the left arm off the chest to generate speed.
I think we can play golf using the 2.8 Drill swing pretty well. That swing , to me , uses minimal shoulder muscle generated movement. When we try to add speed and power , we use the shoulder muscles more.
Others in this forum may have other ideas on this subject.
Ibuprofen!