I know I just posted here, but I just wanted to get thoughts on what might be causing the following:
video and screenshot of video where my concern is:
I put a screenshot of Tom in the same position too… my concern is the back foot coming up, which I suspect is what is causing my trail forearm to separate away from my body at impact. Tom’s looks a lot more planted, and hips look more tucked in/forward, and right side bend looks stronger.
I don’t want to get ahead of myself, but I was wondering if maybe there was something primary that might be causing this, and a drill maybe I can work on.
@Nocona Colt Abernathy do you have any quick thoughts on this?
I will save a future swing analysis post for a few months after diving back into the program again!
Joe
Your trail foot movement has improved.
Good tip @ericostling I’m not too upset about the ball starting right though, because Tom is teaching the push draw swing, which is supposed to start a little bit right I think. My problem, I’m pretty sure, is the proper club path into contact. The club face slightly open is ok, which starts the ball right, but the proper “in to out” club path, as opposed to the chop, will give me draw spin on the ball so it comes back to my target line.
All'y'all are gonna put my V1 Analysis service out of business!....
Excellent use of the Video Analysis Room!!!
At the top of backswing your right wrist seems not cupped, check it. Which iron do you use ?
@Nocona Colt Abernathy @Tom Saguto I know I’ve been keeping this thread alive for longer than I should.. but check out the top of my backswing, particularly the shaft plane. Achieved this after @Nocona Colt Abernathy comments on how I was crossing my foot/ball line to the target. Fixed the take away and wrist hinge (secret.. let the wrists hinge. Legit just let it happen like Tom says) Club also comes through my middle lower back so goodbye to chopping. Never would have figured this piece out without this forum.. thank you immensely. Still a LOT of work to be done though. Can’t stop my arms from going first in the down swing!!
If you watch your video in segments, you will see (at least I do) that the weight on your trail foot appears in the middle of your foot at address, then as you get to the top your weight seems to move slightly forward towards the toes, then early in the downswing your weight moves onto the ball of your trail foot, maybe even on your toes, or your weight is going forward while you're trying to swing leftward. From that position it's super easy to spin the right foot.
IMO I you might experiment keeping the weight more in the middle of your trail foot on the downswing so that the trail foot more "banks" or "tilts" inward. I don't know if Tom has a trail foot movement video but his friend Cogorno does on YT. If you watch Tom's trail foot it banks or leans left.
Just my 2 cents.
@Gerry_Lager That’s a great tip, thank you! I chase it almost every hit hahaha.
@joey puvel another tip...get an old carpet remnant or something soft and place it under your hitting net to deaden the ball after impact. Might save you some time chasing your ball after it bounces on the hard surface :) . Love the dedication hitting in the dark with the crickets!!! keep up the good work.
@Gerry_Lager @Nocona Colt Abernathy I was thinking the same thing. You can see in these latest videos that I might be doing that. By the way, my head dips a lot in the back view video, but the front on view my head stays in place a lot better I think. However you can see the slight chop I still got going on in unison with my hip turn starting on the down swing.
Hey @joey puvel . In addition to @Nocona Colt Abernathy analysis you may be starting the downswing by rotating your trail hip too early. This can cause your over the top. If you start the downswing with a hip bump/slide towards the target that will automatically lower your hands and keep the club shallow and on plane. Check out this video and the next couple drills. https://saguto.golf/courses/1436366/lectures/33006445
For me it looks like a cupped lead wrist.
You should ask Tom to analyze your swing to avoid the mistakes at the beginning.
@Nocona Colt Abernathy This is really helpful. I’m a little confused as to why my hands are so in on the backswing, because I’m focusing on keeping the hands quiet and taking my lead arm across my chest, and rotating 90 to my spine. My thought is that even though my downswing is more over the top, it looks closer to the shaft plane than my backswing. So maybe I need to feel more lead arm perpendicular to my chest as it works across to correct the backswing, paired with better wrist hinge. I’ll do that drill and revisit the backswing section of the class.
Have you only been practicing on a mat? I would not try to get too overwhelmed by comparing positions with Tom. Sometimes that can do more harm than good. The true measure of your swing is your ball flight. If you having contact issues, then I do have a drill that might help (see bottom of comments), but my recommendation is to always get out to the range and/or course when you can. I fix more issues on the course than I ever have on a range (but that is just me personally).
Since you asked...the red line is shaft plane, the yellow line is clubhead on backswing, and the purple line is clubhead on downswing. See how inside your takeaway is? That causes you to be steep on the downswing. Your swing is over the top in the video even though you hit the ball in to out. Over the top is not exclusive to a slicer. Think of the shaft plane as exactly that, a plane or a sheet as some would say. Its on the angle of the shaft at setup and runs in front and behind you. The reason I'm telling you this is you have to pay attention to your club at the top of your backswing sometimes.
Here's the illustration I was talking about. This is the top of your backswing. The yellow line should be closer to parallel with the red lines. You have crossed the plane.
This is usually the result. On the downswing, your club immediately gets vertical. This is causing you to swing steep into the ball. The reason your foot is lifting is because that helps shallow the club so you can make contact. It's just your brain making adjustments.
Drill: I think this will help. Place an object (alignment stick, range caddy, garbage can, etc.) inline with your body on the trail side, and take swings missing the object. If you come inside you will hit the object (instant feedback). This will feel really weird at first so give it time.
perhaps this lesson ?